Shinobi Life Online
Shinobi Life Online Category => Shinobi Life Online Discussion => Topic started by: adithya on March 19, 2017, 18:48:36
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As the title says!
Which would you guys prefer more? The Hidden Hill Village released while we wait for Jutsu, or Jutsu to get good at, as we wait for the Hidden Hill?
Getting Hidden Hill first:
pros:
1. New environment
2. Can hold Chunin exams ASAP
Cons:
1. No jutsu
2. Not much to do except run around and bask in the glorious village made by @mattaleks
Getting Jutsu first:
pros:
1. MOAR JUTSU BOIII. (should be reason enough, imo)
2. Moving towards a more finished version of the game, enabling you to choose your style of fighting.
cons:
1. Run around the same environment with more shit to play with.
2. Wait a long ass time for Chunin exams.
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Pretty sure the first version of the hidden hill is complete or nearly complete at least. However, I could be wrong but that's what I remember Matt saying
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Pretty sure the first version of the hidden hill is complete or nearly complete at least. However, I could be wrong but that's what I remember Matt saying
It being completed and it being implemented are two different things. That is what we are asking you to vote on here :)
Right now, Matt has finished the modelling aspect of the village. It's up to Vreg (If I am right. Could be wrong. Don't quote me) now to implement it. This could sound like an easy thing to do, but making sure it's optimized for potato PCs etc will most probably take a long ass time. Whereas I remember Vreg saying jutsu usually take less time.
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make hidden hill first it has good kage good votes legit
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make hidden hill first it has good kage good votes legit
kys mars
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Tbh I want jutsus, so when HH is out players can have different playstyles other than "jousting" when we hold the chuunin exams, cuz right now "jousting" is still the best and quickest way of defeating your opponent.
Taijutsu next would be nice, it can be combined with Kenjutsu and even some Ninjutsu.. Sick plays. Ofc if Kenjutsu gets a "combo" move like update, not just "slashing".
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Two votes for HH have been registered and will be added to the final count.
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Variety in jutsu doesn't really matter right now. What we need is a locked camera to be able to aim jutsu up and down, along with the ability to hit (taijutsu) and block. Once that is in the game, jutsu variety will play more of a factor, but for now, the Hidden Hill is more important I'd say.
More jutsu won't create a different playstyle, it will just add more to this jousting style of play.
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Ah my mistake I don't know how the process of implementing it works. I would like them to focus on jutsus and diversity. However, more kenjutsu attacks and basic taijutsu would be nice!
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The Hidden Hill village should be before jutsu.
Althought there's people who have been playing for a while now with the same jutsu, It would be wise to finish the Village first If you're trying to build the community. A new player's first impression would be the village. When players join, and all they see is flat land they might not stay for long. When they see how well the devs can make a village, they'll most likely want to stick around until most of the map is similar to how we see it in Naruto. It may only affect the active community a little bit, but more people = more donators. Besides, I'm sure the devs have already prepared a few jutsu to be released.
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Variety in jutsu doesn't really matter right now. What we need is a locked camera to be able to aim jutsu up and down, along with the ability to hit (taijutsu) and block. Once that is in the game, jutsu variety will play more of a factor, but for now, the Hidden Hill is more important I'd say.
More jutsu won't create a different playstyle, it will just add more to this jousting style of play.
I disagree on that last bit, if a player finds out a quicker way of defeating your opponent instead of "jousting" with more jutsus or taijutsu they will use that and not "jousting".
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JUTSUS PLS! The variety is too little, and we haven't even see basic jutsus. (Like Water for example)
(But in my opinion, you could do the two together, after all: Hidden Hill = Designing, Jutsus = coding. It's not like you can't do the two together)
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tbh are both important and interesting, but have more jutsu can be fun mostly for who is here from ages. I think if we have HH before new jutsu is better because it could attract more people to the project, including potential donors or developers.
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Variety in jutsu doesn't really matter right now. What we need is a locked camera to be able to aim jutsu up and down, along with the ability to hit (taijutsu) and block. Once that is in the game, jutsu variety will play more of a factor, but for now, the Hidden Hill is more important I'd say.
More jutsu won't create a different playstyle, it will just add more to this jousting style of play.
I disagree on that last bit, if a player finds out a quicker way of defeating your opponent instead of "jousting" with more jutsus or taijutsu they will use that and not "jousting".
If the choice was between a more complete combat and the Hidden Hill, I think I'd choose the more complete combat. If we got a complete Taijutsu package, then yeah, but just the promise of "more jutsu" isn't enough. Besides, exploring the Hidden Hill would be badass, and like @noffke said, it would make a good impression on new players.
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tbh are both important and interesting, but have more jutsu can be fun mostly for who is here from ages. I think if we have HH before new jutsu is better because it could attract more people to the project, including potential donors or developers.
The village would help grow the community and attract more players that want to stay active. However, I would enjoy more diverse fighting it gets boring after a while but that's just my opinion.
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BTW: I'D like to mention a 3rd option. Its not hard to make but would make the game a lot more fun: Correct the Hitbox: Sometimes my hitbox is like 2 meter behind me, and like that, I can't really defend myself. Also, The sword is like an earth wall: It defends you from wind bullet.
(And my fps and ping are both good.)
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tbh are both important and interesting, but have more jutsu can be fun mostly for who is here from ages. I think if we have HH before new jutsu is better because it could attract more people to the project, including potential donors or developers.
The village would help grow the community and attract more players that want to stay active. However, I would enjoy more diverse fighting it gets boring after a while but that's just my opinion.
indeed, but if the community grow maybe we get more resources and other things that can accelerate the progress of the game
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Vote for hidden hills .
This game is too empty!
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tbh are both important and interesting, but have more jutsu can be fun mostly for who is here from ages. I think if we have HH before new jutsu is better because it could attract more people to the project, including potential donors or developers.
The village would help grow the community and attract more players that want to stay active. However, I would enjoy more diverse fighting it gets boring after a while but that's just my opinion.
indeed, but if the community grow maybe we get more resources and other things that can accelerate the progress of the game
But members of SLO will leave over time with a shitty combatstyle after some time. We don't need members, who stays for one or two days, but ppl, who enjoy the game and spend years playing with it. And this can not be archived only by design. And Combat system lacks in a lot of perspectives.
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tbh are both important and interesting, but have more jutsu can be fun mostly for who is here from ages. I think if we have HH before new jutsu is better because it could attract more people to the project, including potential donors or developers.
The village would help grow the community and attract more players that want to stay active. However, I would enjoy more diverse fighting it gets boring after a while but that's just my opinion.
indeed, but if the community grow maybe we get more resources and other things that can accelerate the progress of the game
But members of SLO will leave over time with a shitty combatstyle after some time. We don't need members, who stays for one or two days, but ppl, who enjoy the game and spend years playing with it. And this can not be archived only by design. And Combat system lacks in a lot of perspectives.
The village is finished all it needs now is implementing. I imagine that too be easier than creating a diverse combat system. Takami has convinced me that the village should be implemented sooner however, that's not to say the combat is not important.
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The village is finished all it needs now is implementing. I imagine that too be easier than creating a diverse combat system. Takami has convinced me that the village should be implemented sooner however, that's not to say the combat is not important.
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U know that This doesn't really counter my statements right?
But I'll make it simplier so it's easier to understand it:
New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)
New combat elements(and or bugfixes) = (A littlebit less but still New members,) Members are going to stay here longer. (Which means more money, after all, ppl who get here and leaves in 1 month or less, are not going to donate anything.)
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U know that This doesn't really counter my statements right?
But I'll make it simplier so it's easier to understand it:
New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)
New combat elements(and or bugfixes) = (A littlebit less but still New members,) Members are going to stay here longer. (Which means more money, after all, ppl who get here and leaves in 1 month or less, are not going to donate anything.)
you are actually retarded, you know that?
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U know that This doesn't really counter my statements right?
But I'll make it simplier so it's easier to understand it:
New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)
New combat elements(and or bugfixes) = (A littlebit less but still New members,) Members are going to stay here longer. (Which means more money, after all, ppl who get here and leaves in 1 month or less, are not going to donate anything.)
you are actually retarded, you know that?
Would you please explain that how you came to that conclusion? :)
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U know that This doesn't really counter my statements right?
But I'll make it simplier so it's easier to understand it:
New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)
New combat elements(and or bugfixes) = (A littlebit less but still New members,) Members are going to stay here longer. (Which means more money, after all, ppl who get here and leaves in 1 month or less, are not going to donate anything.)
It is much easier to finish the village now instead of going onto something new. It is not all about members and donations. In general it just makes more sense for them to complete the village first however, the village and kj was being made at the same time so they can start implementing the village and creating a new ways to fight. I feel they should focus on maps and such. Not completely stop with combat just focus on it a little less of course I am not a professional just putting my own opinion.
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U know that This doesn't really counter my statements right?
But I'll make it simplier so it's easier to understand it:
New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)
New combat elements(and or bugfixes) = (A littlebit less but still New members,) Members are going to stay here longer. (Which means more money, after all, ppl who get here and leaves in 1 month or less, are not going to donate anything.)
you are actually retarded, you know that?
Would you please explain that how you came to that conclusion? :)
"New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)" BUT LOOSING THEM QUICKLY ayy lmaoo
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idk if this is relevant, just making another minor point.
With new combat or a new village either way the new members will most likely not stay very long due to the game being in pre-alpha now. All we can do now is show potential by the quality of whatever the developers make from now on. If there's lots of rushed/half-assed content to keep players from being bored, then it doesn't make future development of the game look good. we shouldn't be worried about how quickly things are released, just how well-thought of/created the content is.
Right now it doesn't really matter what comes first, but personally i'd really like to see a village.
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U know that This doesn't really counter my statements right?
But I'll make it simplier so it's easier to understand it:
New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)
New combat elements(and or bugfixes) = (A littlebit less but still New members,) Members are going to stay here longer. (Which means more money, after all, ppl who get here and leaves in 1 month or less, are not going to donate anything.)
you are actually retarded, you know that?
Would you please explain that how you came to that conclusion? :)
"New village = New members. (But loosing them quickly)" BUT LOOSING THEM QUICKLY ayy lmaoo
And why is that funny? What's stupid about it? Cause you still don't make sense...
Also, Noffke, I agree with some of your statements, that's why I suggested Bug fixing instead of adding new content.
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I am all for quality over quantity however, we need something new once in a while. I don't want a bunch of rushed content either but the devs have standard so I doubt we will get that. If whatever is next added is of good quality I don't mind just would like too see the village first.
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I have a better idea, why Vreg doesn't release HH and new jutsu at the same time tomorrow ?
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I have a better idea, why Vreg doesn't release HH and new jutsu at the same time tomorrow ?
A bit similiar to mine. :D "(But in my opinion, you could do the two together, after all: Hidden Hill = Designing, Jutsus = coding. It's not like you can't do the two together)" (And by together I meant: at the same time)
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Instead of adding more jutsus I would rather have our programmers focus on a more stable combat system. If we add more jutsus now we would just create extra work to edit/update them once we have a proper aim system etc. As for the village its in vregs hands to bring it alive, it got corrupted on my end
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Instead of adding more jutsus I would rather have our programmers focus on a more stable combat system. If we add more jutsus now we would just create extra work to edit/update them once we have a proper aim system etc. As for the village its in vregs hands to bring it alive, it got corrupted on my end
Yup I agree fully with my Fiance! That was what I was saying from the beginning!
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Much better focusing on the add of the village right now
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I would rather have a village were you can explore more the map and it will look better then now then having more jutsus.
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To be honest i would want more jutsus, this is because this would offer a variety of attacks and combos during the chunnin exams. I mean if we held the chuunin exams early then released new jutsu, then a person could be better with the new jutsu than the old ones, but then he/she cant do anything about it. So i think new jutsus should be first as the chuunin exams are a big thing and should not be rushed. But thats just my opinion, im sure there are others who agree with me. :)
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me too i WANT new jutsu, but the game NEED Hidden Hill before new jutsu to help the game and the community grow. :)
i can wait more time if this bring good things to the project :)
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When Are u Adding The Villages and Forest?
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me too i WANT new jutsu, but the game NEED Hidden Hill before new jutsu to help the game and the community grow. :)
i can wait more time if this bring good things to the project :)
I don't see why New Jutsus wouldn't help in growing the community just as much as a new map design would...
And The game would also grow more with that.
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me too i WANT new jutsu, but the game NEED Hidden Hill before new jutsu to help the game and the community grow. :)
i can wait more time if this bring good things to the project :)
I don't see why New Jutsus wouldn't help in growing the community just as much as a new map design would...
And The game would also grow more with that.
Because there is much to do yet about jutsus, like aim system etc. There is no point in add jutsus now and have to completely change it later
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me too i WANT new jutsu, but the game NEED Hidden Hill before new jutsu to help the game and the community grow. :)
i can wait more time if this bring good things to the project :)
I don't see why New Jutsus wouldn't help in growing the community just as much as a new map design would...
And The game would also grow more with that.
Because there is much to do yet about jutsus, like aim system etc. There is no point in add jutsus now and have to completely change it later
Yeah cos if you have loads of space to ruun around but nothing to do in it, its boring
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The more jutsus there are the harder it is when you start to add the aiming system and what not. It is not one or the other they can do both at the same time. Doing the combat system can be done by the programmers while Matt can work on the villages/maps.
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me too i WANT new jutsu, but the game NEED Hidden Hill before new jutsu to help the game and the community grow. :)
i can wait more time if this bring good things to the project :)
I don't see why New Jutsus wouldn't help in growing the community just as much as a new map design would...
And The game would also grow more with that.
Because there is much to do yet about jutsus, like aim system etc. There is no point in add jutsus now and have to completely change it later
new players when they are online the first thing they ask is if there is a village? it is obvious that one if at first glance sees a well-defined and detailed village is curious to find out more.
Furthermore the village is virtually ready instead to add jutsu and combat system would take many months, months that could decrease if the village would attract not only many new players and potential donors, but also programmers etc
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asks for new jutsu
gets new jutsu
keeps spamming chidori
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Village is more important.
I completely agree with Matt, the combat mechanics should be perfected before releaseing new jutsu content.
I mean yeah, new jutsus will excite the new players, (even me) but then once they find out the combat system quite buggy with unnatural hitboxes, etc. It would ruin their gameplay, worse, they'd try and adjust to the bugged versions of the jutsu so when the fixed thing comes out, it may be a problem then. Although its not like all jutsus are gonna have bugs and will be broken, but still...
Further, having a village and expanding the map will be a visual treat to newbies. And an average human can be easily excited by fancy things. As mentioned by many, the option of exploring will be quite cool.
Hence I'd like to have a map expansion and HH village while Vreg & Co. work upon and improve the combat system. Although I too want new jutsus like hell!!!
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That would be the defect of demoracy.A 2013 member's having some value of vot as mine as a newbie.
I choosed new jutsu cause i find a better proposal then adding the village.In my opinion village should appear all in same time.But not gonna argument it,cuz,as i said,im not old enough to have an opinion.
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That would be the defect of demoracy.A 2013 member's having some value of vot as mine as a newbie.
I choosed new jutsu cause i find a better proposal then adding the village.In my opinion village should appear all in same time.But not gonna argument it,cuz,as i said,im not old enough to have an opinion.
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You do not need to be an old opinion to have an opinion that matters. As long as it's backed by proper reasons, no one's opinion is lesser than other's.
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Polls will be closed as soon as 50 members have voted!
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More Jutsu. Turn the current "empty" map into a battlefield.
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Closing the poll in a couple of hours.
Anyone who hasn't voted, please do.
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Voted for hidden hill.
Because it's pretty dull landscape, and I'd like to see some material.
And there might be more like minded people :)
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Votes are now locked :)
Thank you guys for voting!
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Alright, Hidden Hill it is :p
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Not that it matters the devs will do things in the order they want.
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Not that it matters the devs will do things in the order they want.
Vreg actually told us to make this poll.
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Not that it matters the devs will do things in the order they want.
Vreg actually told us to make this poll.
Really? That's great.
Just a shame that people voted WRONGLY fewkjbnwe;gwgjwfgew
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Not that it matters the devs will do things in the order they want.
Vreg actually told us to make this poll.
Really? That's great.
Just a shame that people voted WRONGLY fewkjbnwe;gwgjwfgew
I know it sucks when people have different opinions.
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I mean better to have a whole fucking village so that newbies stop coming on to the forum and saying "Oh hi guys, i just saw this game and i think it has a lot of potential. Where else can i and see the other things?" and we reply "There are no villages and shit".
You guys get my point. When hill comes out, people won't actually mind that they have to wait a little bit for a jutsu because they have a whole village to explore while waiting for the jutsu.
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I mean better to have a whole fucking village so that newbies stop coming on to the forum and saying "Oh hi guys, i just saw this game and i think it has a lot of potential. Where else can i and see the other things?" and we reply "There are no villages and shit".
You guys get my point. When hill comes out, people won't actually mind that they have to wait a little bit for a jutsu because they have a whole village to explore while waiting for the jutsu.
It'll be empty as fuck though. No furniture, no npcs, no vegetables/ kunai to pick up. imo releasing both together would be awesome. But that is if the HH is recoverable (which I hope it is. Saw the stream almost every time :( )
If it isn't, then more jutsu fn is best so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Does anyone know how large the development team is, cuz i would think a part of the people develop the graphical things (villages for instance) and other people develop the dynamics of the game (Things like jutsu, running, stamina-bar, leveling, etc.), and again other people develop the quests and other literate shit (storyline), and last but not least the sound-makers, who make more music than just that song on the start of the pre-alpha (which is absolutely awesome btw).
The graphics team should be split into landscape creating (which is really damn improtant in a shinobi rpg) and people who create detailed things like thos kunai that stick inside that tree next to the mask-shop.
This is just what I think the development team looks/should look like.
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people will get bored of the village after 2-4 days then be requestin shit like A.I, missions etc, until it goes back to a 2-3 playerbase, havin more jutsu's brings that mechanical gameplay where ppl can start chaining attacks rather than running around with chidori n WB
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Does anyone know how large the development team is, cuz i would think a part of the people develop the graphical things (villages for instance) and other people develop the dynamics of the game (Things like jutsu, running, stamina-bar, leveling, etc.), and again other people develop the quests and other literate shit (storyline), and last but not least the sound-makers, who make more music than just that song on the start of the pre-alpha (which is absolutely awesome btw).
The graphics team should be split into landscape creating (which is really damn improtant in a shinobi rpg) and people who create detailed things like thos kunai that stick inside that tree next to the mask-shop.
This is just what I think the development team looks/should look like.
you want skyrim/fallout quality.....for free???
cause that's what Vreg is aiming for and why there's less than 10 people in the active team rn
1 /2 coders - Vuregu and the new guy
Website dude
1 sound dude
Matt. Lord of Modelling? texturing? he's good at whatever he does
Whatasnipe AND someoneelsewho's name I forgot - writers/social media
actually nvm the team's all here
https://www.shinobilifeonline.com/index.php?action=team
you'll probably see alot of inactives but it doesnt mean they arent working
Basically, in response to your post.
Of course Vreg wants to have someone working on every little thing, we already have alot going on right now.
What we can't do however is double/triple the size of the team because the community demands it
Quality over Quantity
even if it means some people working ineffciently
people will get bored of the village after 2-4 days then be requestin shit like A.I, missions etc, until it goes back to a 2-3 playerbase, havin more jutsu's brings that mechanical gameplay where ppl can start chaining attacks rather than running around with chidori n WB
kmt you're supposed to have died
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Does anyone know how large the development team is, cuz i would think a part of the people develop the graphical things (villages for instance) and other people develop the dynamics of the game (Things like jutsu, running, stamina-bar, leveling, etc.), and again other people develop the quests and other literate shit (storyline), and last but not least the sound-makers, who make more music than just that song on the start of the pre-alpha (which is absolutely awesome btw).
The graphics team should be split into landscape creating (which is really damn improtant in a shinobi rpg) and people who create detailed things like thos kunai that stick inside that tree next to the mask-shop.
This is just what I think the development team looks/should look like.
The development team is pretty much what you've described except It's pretty small for the goals they're aiming for. We all must be patient. They're using Unity, and they've made everything themselves so far. I do believe that they encourage the community to post artwork and stuff so that they can consider adding it to the game, too.
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The development team has made some pretty big progress considering how small their team is and, I've also considered that some of the devs aren't active anymore but unsure because Vreg is the only one that gives updates usually, either way, the progress they've made is still really good.
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The development team has made some pretty big progress considering how small their team is and, I've also considered that some of the devs aren't active anymore but unsure because Vreg is the only one that gives updates usually, either way, the progress they've made is still really good.
They don't have to be active here. In the forums. There's a possibility that all of them are working on the game, but not visiting the forum.
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The development team has made some pretty big progress considering how small their team is and, I've also considered that some of the devs aren't active anymore but unsure because Vreg is the only one that gives updates usually, either way, the progress they've made is still really good.
They don't have to be active here. In the forums. There's a possibility that all of them are working on the game, but not visiting the forum.
That is possible as well Shivraj gave me a similar answer as to what you just said when I asked him about it he said they were coordinating through skype unsure if all of them are active or just some of them are.
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Personally, I want jutsus badddly.
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I want the combat mechanics to be improved before any new Jutsu's are released personally but I think others can agree with me on this matter aswell
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I would hate for them to release jutsus before updating the combat.
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I would hate for them to release jutsus before updating the combat.
Yea after hh just improve KJ, and Taijutsu Shurikenjutsu
Then they can go to more advanced system new jutsus / missions / Etc...
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I would hate for them to release jutsus before updating the combat.
Yea after hh just improve KJ, and Taijutsu Shurikenjutsu
Then they can go to more advanced system new jutsus / missions / Etc...
Instead of adding in new things. Why not work on what we already have?
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I would hate for them to release jutsus before updating the combat.
Yea after hh just improve KJ, and Taijutsu Shurikenjutsu
Then they can go to more advanced system new jutsus / missions / Etc...
Instead of adding in new things. Why not work on what we already have?
Yeah agreed, a lot of things are broken and could use some optimization.
And they should really finish all of KJ first tbh.
or put in the village so have atleast something to be entertained with :p
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Since The Village is Dead, You Should Add Jutsu's
And Start From Small Things , Char Creation Shinobi Full Outfit, Combat System [ Taijutsu/Fuiijutsu Etc..]
Shurikens Blocking System, and then making big things like villages and stuff :P
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Since The Village is Dead, You Should Add Jutsu's
And Start From Small Things , Char Creation Shinobi Full Outfit, Combat System [ Taijutsu/Fuiijutsu Etc..]
Shurikens Blocking System, and then making big things like villages and stuff :P
dafuq do u mean the village is dead edit: well dr vreg did everything he could my condolences
And I disagree, it won't be much fun to have a full combat system just in a plain and with two buildings.... if the hidden hill were to be implemented today, combat would be taken to the next level of fun, simply by the fact that there are buildings, roads, etc
so yeah ni🅱️🅱️a
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Since The Village is Dead, You Should Add Jutsu's
And Start From Small Things , Char Creation Shinobi Full Outfit, Combat System [ Taijutsu/Fuiijutsu Etc..]
Shurikens Blocking System, and then making big things like villages and stuff :P
dafuq do u mean the village is dead
And I disagree, it won't be much fun to have a full combat system just in a plain and with two buildings.... if the hidden hill were to be implemented today, combat would be taken to the next level of fun, simply by the fact that there are buildings, roads, etc
so yeah ni🅱️🅱️a
Dr Vreg couldn't save the village. The file got corrupted vreg tried to save it with heart surgery sadly it failed :(
So Matt is remaking the village
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Since The Village is Dead, You Should Add Jutsu's
And Start From Small Things , Char Creation Shinobi Full Outfit, Combat System [ Taijutsu/Fuiijutsu Etc..]
Shurikens Blocking System, and then making big things like villages and stuff :P
dafuq do u mean the village is dead
And I disagree, it won't be much fun to have a full combat system just in a plain and with two buildings.... if the hidden hill were to be implemented today, combat would be taken to the next level of fun, simply by the fact that there are buildings, roads, etc
so yeah ni🅱️🅱️a
Dr Vreg couldn't save the village. The file got corrupted vreg tried to save it with heart surgery sadly it failed :(
So Matt is remaking the village
Vreg manged it to repair(?) the file
(http://image.prntscr.com/image/c09f8cc46b18480d847456893f263c4a.png)
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I posted that around an hour before he said that in discord. Matt was started remaking it yesterday seems he doesn't have too though
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the Current game would be more fun if there was more places to hide and ambush and have a place to go and heal like a hospital
the village sould be finished first before more jutsu is added. also stamina machanics should be added before new jutsu.