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Shinobi Life Online Category => Shinobi Life Online Suggestions => Topic started by: Mars on September 27, 2014, 16:39:51

Title: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Mars on September 27, 2014, 16:39:51
I was reading a post earlier today, and I posted something along the lines of what i'll post here.

I think if the kage's are to gain the rank by being voted for, there will be some arrogant individuals who create hundreds of accounts or use a macro script to create them and vote for themselves. I think the only way to stop that would be to create a minimum level needed to vote, so accounts that have just started cant vote.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: m4r1us on September 27, 2014, 16:42:50
One will have to pay once for each account he/she creates, so idk how viable multi-acc is considering the fact that it'd cost quite a lot to create hundreds of accounts, out of which you only play on one of them.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Mars on September 27, 2014, 17:24:47
One will have to pay once for each account he/she creates, so idk how viable multi-acc is considering the fact that it'd cost quite a lot to create hundreds of accounts, out of which you only play on one of them.
Taking that in mind, obviously there will be real world trading websites, I guess lots of people could buy votes, where the players would be paid 25p for instance for voting for a certain person. I'm sure this would be cheaper than creating accounts. But if this was to happen then there would be no need for the low level voting system, as higher level players would do this. Do you have any ideas on how you would stop this?
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: m4r1us on September 27, 2014, 17:35:14
One will have to pay once for each account he/she creates, so idk how viable multi-acc is considering the fact that it'd cost quite a lot to create hundreds of accounts, out of which you only play on one of them.
Taking that in mind, obviously there will be real world trading websites, I guess lots of people could buy votes, where the players would be paid 25p for instance for voting for a certain person. I'm sure this would be cheaper than creating accounts. But if this was to happen then there would be no need for the low level voting system, as higher level players would do this. Do you have any ideas on how you would stop this?
This is a simulation, so there won't be any need to stop this at all imo. Voting for someone with the promise of receiving in-game currency will lead to the choice of a leader who won't be fit, therefore making the village suffer. After a few times people will realize that by doing this they'll harm their own village. So let them hurt themselves until they learn.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Mars on September 27, 2014, 18:03:39
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This is a simulation, so there won't be any need to stop this at all imo. Voting for someone with the promise of receiving in-game currency will lead to the choice of a leader who won't be fit, therefore making the village suffer. After a few times people will realize that by doing this they'll harm their own village. So let them hurt themselves until they learn.
Sorry, I don't think I explained properly, I meant if someone was paid in real life currency. Somebody could pay everyone who voted for him/her $1 in real life.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Vreg on September 28, 2014, 16:52:02
Bribing has always been part of political systems and will most likely also exist in our universe if people take it serious enough. We can't prevent people from voting if they make a deal off the record.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Mars on September 28, 2014, 16:57:32
Bribing has always been part of political systems and will most likely also exist in our universe if people take it serious enough. We can't prevent people from voting if they make a deal off the record.
Surely that is kind of pay to win, because if you have loads of real life money you can become the kage. I know it wont give you special powers, but still. Those people with millions real life will all be kages
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: m4r1us on September 28, 2014, 17:00:11
Bribing has always been part of political systems and will most likely also exist in our universe if people take it serious enough. We can't prevent people from voting if they make a deal off the record.
Surely that is kind of pay to win, because if you have loads of real life money you can become the kage. I know it wont give you special powers, but still. Those people with millions real life will all be kages
It isn't pay to win, as it isn't part of the system. If one is so desperate to become a Kage that he's willing to pay loads of money to accomplish this then so be it. Chances are that he won't even be a good leader so I don't see where the biggie is.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Reloo on September 28, 2014, 17:02:36
Bribing has always been part of political systems and will most likely also exist in our universe if people take it serious enough. We can't prevent people from voting if they make a deal off the record.
Surely that is kind of pay to win, because if you have loads of real life money you can become the kage. I know it wont give you special powers, but still. Those people with millions real life will all be kages
Bit of an exaggeration don't you think? Besides, if money is the only redeeming quality you have I doubt that they would be able to survive long or have much support afterwards.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Mars on September 28, 2014, 17:03:21
Yeah I guess
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Vreg on September 28, 2014, 20:20:42
After giving this a second thought, I can see how this won't be a problem.

As I said, bribing should be allowed because it's been part of humanity, but only if it's done within Shinobi Life Online's world. In other words, it will be forbidden to be done in the context of meta-gaming and real life money.

The thing that matters here is that someone won't be able to pull off a large scale bribe using real life money, large enough to have an impact on other competitors, without us noticing it.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Xendrus... on September 28, 2014, 20:29:48
The thing that matters here is that someone won't be able to pull off a large scale bribe using real life money, large enough to have an impact on other competitors, without us noticing it.
Besides, if there is something sketchy about it, just pull a Bush v. Gore. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000)
Force a re-election between the competitors. This will most likely solve the problem, as well as waste the money of the cheater because those who voted for him due to money will already have the money, thus in the re-election, they will vote for whoever they truly want to be Kage. YeYe.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: CaptainSpoon on September 29, 2014, 11:20:49
who knows? the ones that dont want to vote for the briber again might disappear...
but srsly, why wouldnt he do that.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: spectrum2040 on September 29, 2014, 23:59:57
i think the best way it's to do a tournament to choose the kage for an amount of time
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Xendrus... on September 30, 2014, 00:20:55
The problem with that is that it isn't a players decision. Besides, just because they are the most powerful doesn't mean they are suitable for Kage, there are other key factors that go into play. That's why an election is the best path to go, because players choose what type of leader they want.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Leebz on November 25, 2014, 23:34:27
Why not have each kage picked by staff?
I mean, the way a kage is picked in the anime is by the council of the village isn't it? So why not have about 2 or 3 staff members (like moderators) as a council for each major village and they all decide on their villages kage?
I don't know.. Just a suggestion xD
It will eliminate the whole rigged voting situation that's for sure
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: CaptainSpoon on December 25, 2014, 23:19:04
Eleminating the rigged voting system isn't what we want, or at least what I want, because if it were to happen like you suggested that would eleminate a great amount of reality.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Konohuro on December 26, 2014, 20:20:37

It will eliminate the whole rigged voting situation that's for sure

By eliminating that rigged voting system you eliminate the fun of having a weak spot in even the strongest village in the game. I don't understand why people want to simplify the game... Personally I don't want to see a normal mmorpg like WoW just with different textures... :/
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Leebz on December 27, 2014, 19:53:45
By rigged I mean botters. You guys know that right? You want bots in an MMO? Most MMOs try to avoid bots but ok O____O
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Konohuro on December 28, 2014, 08:59:15
Botting is easy to be restricted. An "if" in the games script and there will be only one vote per account instead of one vote per character. (Of course it's not so easy, but the idea is that bot-problem can be eliminated if GMs really want to)
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Leebz on December 29, 2014, 15:12:20
True I suppose. Good thinking Kono
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Shadow1759 on December 29, 2014, 19:29:41
That wouldn't work at all. The game is f2p now, so you can easily make many accounts. So botting is back on. But that's just reality. People cheat and lie to get in positions of power. Realiiiiittyyyy~~~~
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Konohuro on December 29, 2014, 19:50:38
I don't know if I saw this in a topic or just my mind came up with this -either way I'm not going to check the whole forum for this- I remember that there was not permitted multiple accounts. Even so, it's true that they can change their IP in order to avoid this restriction, still I think that is too much bothering even for such a cause thus is an action that not many will adopt.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: InfinityQuake on December 29, 2014, 19:58:25
That wouldn't work at all. The game is f2p now, so you can easily make many accounts. So botting is back on. But that's just reality. People cheat and lie to get in positions of power. Realiiiiittyyyy~~~~

Shadow knows what he is talking about. Trust him.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Mars on December 29, 2014, 20:03:53
@InfinityQuake you know his name not his story
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: InfinityQuake on December 29, 2014, 20:29:04
@InfinityQuake you know his name not his story

Regardless, trust Shadow1759.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Shadow1759 on December 30, 2014, 00:19:02
He knows my story because we have many children.

Anyway, I have no doubt in my mind people will create multiple accounts despite the amount of effort it takes to do it. And maybe that's not a bad thing. If they're really so determined to try to get around any IP restrictions that may be implemented (which they might not even be, who knows,) they might as well be a contestant for Kage. Botting is probably not even going to effect the voting by much if there are thousands of villagers. Whoever is the best contestant will most likely win, despite botting.

Overall, there will probably be botting, but it probably won't even effect the process. If they're a contestant botting to win, that means they were good enough to become a contestant in the first place, so it's not like it would be the end of the world if they won.
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Reminance on December 30, 2014, 01:55:33
We shouldnt worry too much...
Title: Re: Botting to become a kage
Post by: Shirihata on January 03, 2015, 01:42:40
Lets be honest we are putting way to much thought into this. I agree with the people saying that let it be rigged, isnt that reality? They want this as realistic as possible so why not let it be.