I THINK SHIVRAJ WOULD WIN BECAUSE HE WOULD BE ACTIVE ENOUGH TO COME ON FOR THE FIGHTmehh
I THINK SHIVRAJ WOULD WIN BECAUSE HE WOULD BE ACTIVE ENOUGH TO COME ON FOR THE FIGHTNot a valid point but ok lol
Did toad get a sage mode cause I had one or is that something you forgot to delete? @LeebzKazuki Akagi Facts
Chakra Nature(s): Lightning
Organisation(s): [KATA (http://goo.gl/TnxW2A)]; [YURI (http://goo.gl/mNI53R)]
Masteries: Jonin level Ninjutsu; Natural Taijutsu; Agil; Smart; Phoenix Sage
Weakness: Average Strength; Cocky
Combat Experience Grade: 8/10
Yoru Satori Facts
Chakra Nature(s): Wind; Fire
Organisation(s): [ROGU (https://goo.gl/2skn0P)]; [KRAI]
Masteries: Jonin level Ninjutsu; Kenjutsu; Smart; Phoenix Sage
Weakness: Genjutsu
Combat Experience Grade: 5/10
Both of them are Phoenix Sages??I actually just added the water nature, while I was reading this post, I essentially forgot to put a secondary chakra nature, but seeing as I was starting in Hidden Thunder, I wanted the water one (so I have a chance of storm release and I can do sick combos too xd).
wow.
this fight would be awesome to see.
@Leebz just a small suggestion. once the voting phase gets over, why don't you write a post describing the duels.
That would be much more entertaining!
anyways...
I went through both the characters... Yoru being a new one (no not Toad but Yoru. Ik toad is an old member :) ) hasn't got much in his credits yet. But on the other hand,KakuzuKazuki has provided in his character thread that he is quite fast and nimble and has an IQ above average.
Also to consider, and 8 to 5 battle exp also givesKakuzuKazuki an advantage.
Now about Nature transformations.
Yoru got the nature which can effectively neutralize kazuki's (yeah. I got over Kakuzu now :3) lightning.
He got Wind,which is sronger than lightning as well as fire (if he unlocks his seconday chakra) which is good against Lightning (but not as good as wind tho)
But here's the next fact, Kazuki also has water as his second chakra, which can easily take on fire and is good against wind.
So basically, Yoru's Primary chakra nature is stronger than Kazuki's primary chakra but Kazuki's secondary chakra is stronger than both of Yoru's Chakra natures.
Next is non-ninjutsu stuff.
so Kazuki vs Yoru is Taijutsu vs Kenjutsu. (Gai vs Kisame?.. jk :3) It totally depends upon there skillzz y'kno :P can't comment much on it.
While both of them Are phoenix Sages, that would make the fight quite a big deal and one to be remembered!
and @Leebz Check PM
Toad is not a Phoenix Sage. My bad peeps. It was late and after writing smart for Toad I must have thought I was still doing Kazuki. Apologies <3I said Lightning Phoenix >.> though I suppose a phoenix is associated with Fire, and Lightning Phoenix would be somewhat impossible <.<
@Shivraj, you bring up some good points however a sage mode doesn't mean insta win at all. There is many disadvantages to summoning something such as it taking a lot of chakra and the fact your phoenix would be related to fire, any attacks thrown at Yoru, by the phoenix, would get sent right back at ya with wind jutsu. If anything, summoning your phoenix could hinder you in this fight more than help you. I would say it is still a difficult call on who would win. Sadly you didn't add your second nature till after the post so it will not count as you said.
@Toratsume Nyshn, thanks for the PM bud and for bringing up some good points in the fight.
On your profile, it said "riding a blue phoenix" therefore it is not specified what nature and therefore falls to the default of a phoenix which is fire.Toad is not a Phoenix Sage. My bad peeps. It was late and after writing smart for Toad I must have thought I was still doing Kazuki. Apologies <3I said Lightning Phoenix >.> though I suppose a phoenix is associated with Fire, and Lightning Phoenix would be somewhat impossible <.<
@Shivraj, you bring up some good points however a sage mode doesn't mean insta win at all. There is many disadvantages to summoning something such as it taking a lot of chakra and the fact your phoenix would be related to fire, any attacks thrown at Yoru, by the phoenix, would get sent right back at ya with wind jutsu. If anything, summoning your phoenix could hinder you in this fight more than help you. I would say it is still a difficult call on who would win. Sadly you didn't add your second nature till after the post so it will not count as you said.
@Toratsume Nyshn, thanks for the PM bud and for bringing up some good points in the fight.
Personally, I don't want to count "Phoenix Sage" or "natural taijutsu" for Kazuki. The Kazuki I read was a kenjutsu user and specialized in lightning nin-ken attacks.I have battle experience, which leads me to believe that I wouldn't make rash decisions, aye, not to mention, I did specify Lightning, which I have given evidence of to Leebz, now it's upto him to believe me or not.
*sniffles*
He's changed so much now...
As for Yoru, I feel as though the only advantage he may have is in terms of chakra natures. It would be a tough battle but I do think that Kazuki would nudge the victory. ONLY because they are so similar in skill sets.
However at any point, if Kazuki summons a bloody fire summoning then he would almost definitely lose. Kazuki's high fighting intensity means that he most likely has burns through his chakra rather quickly (like Kakashi) and a summoning would use a vast majority of it. Coupled with the fact that Yoru is also smart, I don't see why Yoru wouldn't simply negate and reverse the Phoenix's attacks with wind ninjutsu.
Now it is possible to argue that Kazuki is also smart and wouldn't make a rash decision like summoning but he is cocky.
If Kazuki fights this well then he will most likely win.
If he gets cocky, he poses a high chance of underestimating Yoru and that would most likely be his demise.
Personally, I don't want to count "Phoenix Sage" or "natural taijutsu" for Kazuki. The Kazuki I read was a kenjutsu user and specialized in lightning nin-ken attacks.I have battle experience, which leads me to believe that I wouldn't make rash decisions, aye, not to mention, I did specify Lightning, which I have given evidence of to Leebz, now it's upto him to believe me or not.
*sniffles*
He's changed so much now...
As for Yoru, I feel as though the only advantage he may have is in terms of chakra natures. It would be a tough battle but I do think that Kazuki would nudge the victory. ONLY because they are so similar in skill sets.
However at any point, if Kazuki summons a bloody fire summoning then he would almost definitely lose. Kazuki's high fighting intensity means that he most likely has burns through his chakra rather quickly (like Kakashi) and a summoning would use a vast majority of it. Coupled with the fact that Yoru is also smart, I don't see why Yoru wouldn't simply negate and reverse the Phoenix's attacks with wind ninjutsu.
Now it is possible to argue that Kazuki is also smart and wouldn't make a rash decision like summoning but he is cocky.
If Kazuki fights this well then he will most likely win.
If he gets cocky, he poses a high chance of underestimating Yoru and that would most likely be his demise.
I'd say "Cocky" would only be slightly so, seeing as he's a Pisukipa, which is a respectable post, I certainly wouldn't underestimate him (not too greatly), but then again, idk about the cockyness this character has.
My smartness would also cause me to analyze his moves before seriously engaging, most likely through clones. Which would give me a general idea, I fail to imagine a scenario where a cocky, yet smart character would underestimate their opponent too greatly(emphasis on smart, and less emphasis on cocky).
I've come to the decision the Phoenix will remain fire only because if I allow a beast to be a specific element then anyone could make an animal/element to be OP with their element. In Naruto, the summonings were not nature users but just giant ass animals with either taijutsu/kenjutsu to help them fight. For example, the toads were kenjutsu users and the snakes used poison (as a snake would) and the slugs were... Well... Fking weird to say the least. But yeah, the animal, if mythological like a phoenix, will be as the mythology states.Alright, but that would give me Phoenix Sage mode, yeah?
Not saying you can't have an attack of an animal form though, such as water dragon, but you cannot ride it around for extended periods of time.. Maybe not at all really. However, such a thing can't be specified for these duels as people will make OP jutsu.
Votes are unchangeable and therefore you must choose wisely. The sage mode abilities are very vague to be honest. I don't know what to allow for it to make sure it isn't OP enough for everyone to suddenly want it on their profile. I think sage of an animal will only give the summoning ability in these duels and no boost in anything else.I've come to the decision the Phoenix will remain fire only because if I allow a beast to be a specific element then anyone could make an animal/element to be OP with their element. In Naruto, the summonings were not nature users but just giant ass animals with either taijutsu/kenjutsu to help them fight. For example, the toads were kenjutsu users and the snakes used poison (as a snake would) and the slugs were... Well... Fking weird to say the least. But yeah, the animal, if mythological like a phoenix, will be as the mythology states.Alright, but that would give me Phoenix Sage mode, yeah?
Not saying you can't have an attack of an animal form though, such as water dragon, but you cannot ride it around for extended periods of time.. Maybe not at all really. However, such a thing can't be specified for these duels as people will make OP jutsu.
It'd give me the advantage of the sage mode (I don't think it would give me fire jutsu?), plus toad wouldn't be able to use wind against lightning, since my phoenix (if I summon it)would stop his wind, that means it's either Fire against Fire or Fire against Lightning in ninjutsu, and taijutsu against kenjutsu in melee, the sword gives toad more range, but perhaps I could use lightning chakra to enhance my strikes somehow (A primitive form of nin-taijutsu, as I said in my first reply to this thread), plus agility, which gives me a sharper edge over his range, he could use his wind chakra to coat the sword, although, I don't think he could hit me if I'm already agile + the sage mode.
That all depends on if I get the sage mode though
Also, is the vote changeable after voting? In case Toad makes a good point.
True, that would make people have summonings that make them OP af, hmm, alright then.Votes are unchangeable and therefore you must choose wisely. The sage mode abilities are very vague to be honest. I don't know what to allow for it to make sure it isn't OP enough for everyone to suddenly want it on their profile. I think sage of an animal will only give the summoning ability in these duels and no boost in anything else.I've come to the decision the Phoenix will remain fire only because if I allow a beast to be a specific element then anyone could make an animal/element to be OP with their element. In Naruto, the summonings were not nature users but just giant ass animals with either taijutsu/kenjutsu to help them fight. For example, the toads were kenjutsu users and the snakes used poison (as a snake would) and the slugs were... Well... Fking weird to say the least. But yeah, the animal, if mythological like a phoenix, will be as the mythology states.Alright, but that would give me Phoenix Sage mode, yeah?
Not saying you can't have an attack of an animal form though, such as water dragon, but you cannot ride it around for extended periods of time.. Maybe not at all really. However, such a thing can't be specified for these duels as people will make OP jutsu.
It'd give me the advantage of the sage mode (I don't think it would give me fire jutsu?), plus toad wouldn't be able to use wind against lightning, since my phoenix (if I summon it)would stop his wind, that means it's either Fire against Fire or Fire against Lightning in ninjutsu, and taijutsu against kenjutsu in melee, the sword gives toad more range, but perhaps I could use lightning chakra to enhance my strikes somehow (A primitive form of nin-taijutsu, as I said in my first reply to this thread), plus agility, which gives me a sharper edge over his range, he could use his wind chakra to coat the sword, although, I don't think he could hit me if I'm already agile + the sage mode.
That all depends on if I get the sage mode though
Also, is the vote changeable after voting? In case Toad makes a good point.
Well, by myth, the phoenix is a bird made of fire so if he hit it with a wind attack, at the right angle, it would throw the flames at you as wind/fire work well together. That's what I meant how he can use your summon against you.True, that would make people have summonings that make them OP af, hmm, alright then.Votes are unchangeable and therefore you must choose wisely. The sage mode abilities are very vague to be honest. I don't know what to allow for it to make sure it isn't OP enough for everyone to suddenly want it on their profile. I think sage of an animal will only give the summoning ability in these duels and no boost in anything else.I've come to the decision the Phoenix will remain fire only because if I allow a beast to be a specific element then anyone could make an animal/element to be OP with their element. In Naruto, the summonings were not nature users but just giant ass animals with either taijutsu/kenjutsu to help them fight. For example, the toads were kenjutsu users and the snakes used poison (as a snake would) and the slugs were... Well... Fking weird to say the least. But yeah, the animal, if mythological like a phoenix, will be as the mythology states.Alright, but that would give me Phoenix Sage mode, yeah?
Not saying you can't have an attack of an animal form though, such as water dragon, but you cannot ride it around for extended periods of time.. Maybe not at all really. However, such a thing can't be specified for these duels as people will make OP jutsu.
It'd give me the advantage of the sage mode (I don't think it would give me fire jutsu?), plus toad wouldn't be able to use wind against lightning, since my phoenix (if I summon it)would stop his wind, that means it's either Fire against Fire or Fire against Lightning in ninjutsu, and taijutsu against kenjutsu in melee, the sword gives toad more range, but perhaps I could use lightning chakra to enhance my strikes somehow (A primitive form of nin-taijutsu, as I said in my first reply to this thread), plus agility, which gives me a sharper edge over his range, he could use his wind chakra to coat the sword, although, I don't think he could hit me if I'm already agile + the sage mode.
That all depends on if I get the sage mode though
Also, is the vote changeable after voting? In case Toad makes a good point.
@Manuster how would a fire summon be used against me? He's not a fire bender, he can only make fire, plus the summon would save me from his wind attacks, which gives me a Fire to Fire (my summon) or Fire to Lightning thing, as I stated in my previous post
Well, by myth, the phoenix is a bird made of fire so if he hit it with a wind attack, at the right angle, it would throw the flames at you as wind/fire work well together. That's what I meant how he can use your summon against you.True, that would make people have summonings that make them OP af, hmm, alright then.Votes are unchangeable and therefore you must choose wisely. The sage mode abilities are very vague to be honest. I don't know what to allow for it to make sure it isn't OP enough for everyone to suddenly want it on their profile. I think sage of an animal will only give the summoning ability in these duels and no boost in anything else.I've come to the decision the Phoenix will remain fire only because if I allow a beast to be a specific element then anyone could make an animal/element to be OP with their element. In Naruto, the summonings were not nature users but just giant ass animals with either taijutsu/kenjutsu to help them fight. For example, the toads were kenjutsu users and the snakes used poison (as a snake would) and the slugs were... Well... Fking weird to say the least. But yeah, the animal, if mythological like a phoenix, will be as the mythology states.Alright, but that would give me Phoenix Sage mode, yeah?
Not saying you can't have an attack of an animal form though, such as water dragon, but you cannot ride it around for extended periods of time.. Maybe not at all really. However, such a thing can't be specified for these duels as people will make OP jutsu.
It'd give me the advantage of the sage mode (I don't think it would give me fire jutsu?), plus toad wouldn't be able to use wind against lightning, since my phoenix (if I summon it)would stop his wind, that means it's either Fire against Fire or Fire against Lightning in ninjutsu, and taijutsu against kenjutsu in melee, the sword gives toad more range, but perhaps I could use lightning chakra to enhance my strikes somehow (A primitive form of nin-taijutsu, as I said in my first reply to this thread), plus agility, which gives me a sharper edge over his range, he could use his wind chakra to coat the sword, although, I don't think he could hit me if I'm already agile + the sage mode.
That all depends on if I get the sage mode though
Also, is the vote changeable after voting? In case Toad makes a good point.
@Manuster how would a fire summon be used against me? He's not a fire bender, he can only make fire, plus the summon would save me from his wind attacks, which gives me a Fire to Fire (my summon) or Fire to Lightning thing, as I stated in my previous post
Hmm, but Fire is strong against wind, and the phoenix won't be between me and Toad, it'd be higher than that, plus, the chakra ratio needs to be matched for it to workWe're not talking about fire jutsu and wind jutsu here bud. We're talking about the very real factor that a fire gets enhanced by wind. There is a saying and it goes "Fanning the flames" and it's based on logic that flames get bigger by wind and if a gust of wind can blow at a strong source of fire such as a phoenix, the flames would turn into a firey tornado in whatever direction the wind blew(Especially by a controlled jutsu). The phoenix doesn't have to be between you and Toad, he could angle himself to make it happen.
"Because the wind to flame ratio is perfectly balanced, the flames are greatly enhanced"
"Referring to the original use of this technique, Tobirama Senju noted that he had never seen such a Kagutsuchi before, and that this technique had the same chakra ratio from both its parent techniques, which he noted was something tough to achieve, even for an experienced duo. This was later attributed to Sasuke's use of the Sharingan to perfectly match his chakra ratio to Naruto's."
Now, this could just be to make it "strong" but I don't think an element that's stronger than another element would mix into that element and cause the attack to get stronger, it would negate the attack of the other element, like earth against water, water against fire, wind against lightning, and lightning against earth
Now, I get that the wind could be used as a force to propel the flames towards me, and then the wind gets eaten by the fire, but as I said, the phoenix wouldn't be on ground level, but yeah, discounting the phoenix seems like a better option, if he could use it against me.